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good morning. >> everyone welcome to cnn this morning it is saturday blackwell. >> it is good to be with you. thank you for joining us. here's what we're watching for you this morning. commencement ceremonies. they are now the latest targets of protesters that have gripped the college campuses across this country. how schools, planet deal with those, and the agreements they're making to put a stop to the demonstrations longtime donald trump aid hope hicks took the stand friday and trump's hush money criminal trial, what she told the court about what was happening inside the campaign after the release of the access hollywood tape after nine consecutive days of tornadoes, were tracking threat for more severe weather today, the biggest threats today, and

the city is at risk through early next week, plus the faa is expanding the list of acceptable antidepressants for pilots and air traffic controllers. >> while many in the industry say it is a major step in the right direction universities across the us and our rate using security concerns that their campuses as they prepare for graduation ceremonies of course, this comes after weeks of pro-palestinian protests these protesters who interrupted commencement ceremonies at the university of michigan of music theater and dance and the demonstration lasted for a few minutes before police arrived and took those protesters away. >> now the university of southern california says, it will hold a small family graduate celebration last week, the school cancel well, the main graduation ceremony that would have brought in as many as 65,000 attendees. the school has also started the disciplinary process for

student protesters ucla says campus operations will resume and full monday with increased security or than 200 people were arrested thursday stay after refusing to leave and he can't on campus. we're also getting new details about the major protests this week at columbia university in new york, a total of 44 people there were arrested for storming and barricaded themselves in hamilton hall and that number includes 23 columbia students to columbia employees and 13 adults with no affiliation with the school at emory university here at atlantic. some faculty members approved a vote of no confidence against the university's president. and the body that voted is made of a faculty in the emory college of arts and sciences cnn's nick valencia explains what that means for the school faculty, senate members at emory university voted overwhelmingly no confidence on emory's president, greg fenves the vote comes just over a week after 28

people were arrested during a pro-palestinian demonstrations on campus of those 28 who were arrested 20 of them had connections to the school in his initial statement, emory president gregory fenves had said that the group was outside agitators, which was inaccurate his statement was criticized as was his decision to call in police officers with the atlanta police department and troopers from georgia state patrol. >> now this vote of no confidence is not legally binding, but the results will make make their way to the board of trustees and they have the discretion to remove fenves if they wish. we reached out to emory university and this is what they're telling us in a statement saying, quote, while we take any concerns expressed by members of our community seriously, there are wide range of perspectives being shared within the emory community. those pro-palestinian demonstrations continue on murray's campus. they polantz, you, cnn atlanta mick, thank you very much. >> hope hicks, once one of donald trump's closest aides was the star witness and de 11 of his hush money trial noticeably uncomfortable.

>> hicks avoided eye contact with her former boss while she was on the stand and at one point began crying cnn's kara scannell was in the courtroom hope hicks, once one of trump's closest aides took the stand friday and emotional de of testimony at one point, even tearing up on day 11 of trump's criminal trial so i'm not allowed to comment on any of that. >> as you know, i'm under a gag. i was very interested in what took place today. >> hicks, who was trump's campaign spokesperson in 2016, and later served as white house communications director, looked visibly uncomfortable before testifying, saying she was really nervous prosecutors quickly brought up the access hollywood tape, which was released just one month before the 2016 election when you were started, they let you do it. hicks recalled trump being upset. she said there was a consensus among campaign leadership that the tape was damaging to the campaign, and it was a crisis she said media

coverage of the tape was so intense, it literally knocked a category four hurricane out of the news cycle hope said it was all trump all the time for the next 36 hours, hicks testified that trump was involved in the campaigns response prosecutors played his video apology for the jury. >> anyone who knows me knows because these words don't reflect who i am. >> i said it. i was wrong and i apologize prosecutors tried to show that catastrophic impact the access hollywood tape had on trump's campaign, demonstrating the urgency to kill another bombshell story from being released just weeks before the election, hicks testified she was sitting on the plane when she learned that the wall street journal plans to publish a piece about the national enquirer's catch-and-kill deal involving trump's alleged affair with an x playboy model, karen mcdougal, and adult film star stormy daniel's trump denies the affairs. >> hicks said she spoke with trump who was concerned about

the story, and he instructed her to deny it. she is quoted in the journal saying daniel's a fair allegation is absolutely unequivocally untrue hicks said, trump's was concerned with how the article would be viewed by his wife saying he wanted me to make sure that the newspapers warrant delivered to his residence that morning prosecutors aztecs about trump's former lawyer, michael cohen's one hundred and $30,000 payment to daniels to buy and kill her story of an alleged affair with trump cohen told the new york times in 2018 that he made the payment from his own pocket hicks said she was skeptical about cohen's motives, saying, i didn't know michael to be an especially charitable person or selfless person. hicks describe trump's assessment the story saying it was mr. trump's opinion is that it was better to be dealing with it now, and that it would have been bad to have that story come out before the election as trump's attorney, emile bove, you went to take over questioning. hicks began to cry after a break, bogey focused on cohen trying to show he had no role in the campaign and would act on his own hicks

testified cohen was not supposed to be on the campaign in an official capacity but would try to insert himself at certain moments. she said cohen often did things that were unauthorized by the campaign and that he sometimes went rogue accord official tells me that donald trump paid the $9,000 fine for violating the gag order. hope six testimony completes the second week of witness testimony in this trial, the jury has heard a lot about the catch deals at the center of this case, the next phase is the alleged cover up. kara scannell, cnn, new york all right. kara scannell, thanks so much joining me now is joey jackson a cnn legal analyst and criminal defense attorney joe, it's always good to see you. >> so regarding hope hicks testimony, this week, what it seemed like she helped both the prosecution and the defense right. >> because i'm one side, she was painting trump as his family man who was most concerned about protecting his family when these allegations were about to come out. but of course, on the other side, she talked about him being such a

micro-manager and that it didn't seem here you wouldn't know about these hush money payments. what's your take yeah absolutely. >> spot on, amara. good morning to you and i think that based upon that, she certainly gives both parties thanks to argue ultimately, the prosecution and the defense, when it comes to closing argument. but look at the critical things are prosecution can use and fentanyl pivot briefly to the defense. the bottom line is from prosecution's perspective, they point out this whole access hollywood tape. why is it so relevant, amara, it's relevant because you have a campaign based upon the statements made in crisis as a result of that, would it not be appropriate would it not be competing with common sense? thanks for donald trump to direct michael cohen when another potentially damaging story is going to come out to take care of it, handle it, and what the handle it have to do with him saying, hey, than 130,000 payment is fine by me.

that's authorization. so that's what they'll are you on the other hand, from a defense perspective? you get the issue of listen. you heard her say he was concerned about his family. you heard her say the issues relating to trump's concern about that that would be a motivating factor also, very briefly in terms of you mentioning the micromanagement that's important because again, if he's a micromanager and it's run business is run like a family business. he would be that is trump responsible for authorizing cohen to make that payment. but again, last thing from a defense perspective, does it michael cohen go row, doesn't he do things on his own so yes, both of those arguments will be made, both as you mentioned, amara, things certainly can help. some things can help the prosecution, some things to help get out. the defense that's why you have a jury that has to grapple with these factual decision and make a determination as to whether there's criminality that amara is would are all about. >> of course we are waiting to see when michael cohen will take the stand as a key a

witness for the prosecution. what do you think the prosecution strategy is and calling him to the stand because so far we've heard so many people trash him, especially his character is there a strategy here as one of the main witnesses for the prosecution? >> without question, but look at what the strategy has been. the strategy from a prosecutor's perspective is to make michael cohen as irrelevant as possible. okay. what do i mean by that? what i mean is that every witness they've had so far from the national enquirer that is mr. pecker talking about the whole catching kill deals and his interactions with michael cohen, right davidson, and the he's the attorney davidson for stormy daniels. and of course karen mcdougal and his interacted with cohen. all of these witnesses preceding michael cohen are talking about things relating to michael cohen, michael cohen's actions, they're interested fractions with him and that

eliminates what michael cohen has to do eliminates michael cohen having to be believed, it eliminates michael cohen having to be the core witness. so the prosecution, in answer to your question, amara, is focusing on making michael cohen lift. is little as he possibly can and having all these person seating witnesses, corroborate him. so it's not about whether you believe michael cohen. he then is an important piece of the puzzle. of course he is, but everybody else talks about what he did, what his role was, what the nature and purpose of his activities were, then how could you not believe michael cohen and that i think is going to be the prosecution strategy the end because he is going to be savage by the defense in terms of as you pension, just his unsavory nature, the things that he's done, and certainly his lies misrepresentations, his convictions. and so yes, i think that's the prosecution's role. >> i mean, before he's even testified, right. i mean, judge

juan merchan sean already seem sped up with him and some of the public comments that michael cohen has made about trump and the trial on that note, the gag order on friday won russia and the judge did clarify to trump that this gag order we're not prevent him from testifying if he were to choose to do so, but we're still waiting on the judge to rule on these four other alleged violations of the gag order. trump did pay that $9,000 fine by the deadline friday, according to kara scannell is reporting, there would you be surprised if michelin moved to order some jail time for trump if he continues to violate get this so here's my view of it in terms of not being able to ask trump if he testifies about the underlying gag order connected to this case is the absolute right call. >> it's too prejudicial. it would have the jury certainly take a view of it, not that they may not have heard about it outside the courtroom, but they cannot impose whatever they heard two evidence inside the court. so on that issue, i think the judge is right on that's a fair ruling. right.

with respect to the actual what the judge will do now, i think there'll be additional fines that'll be imposed. it's still early on. remember the nature of what mr. trump said, really proceeded the whole nine thousand dollars payment issue, i think now though, amara, that trump is on notice, right? i think that what we'll do is if he imposes additional that is if trump violates the gag order. again, i think you could see jail at that point, but i don't think this ruling would include jail at all. >> joey jackson, it's always good to talk to you. thanks so much parts of texas are facing the threat of more storms today. >> heavy rains have already flooded hundreds of homes. look at this video. this is livingston about an hour north of houston. official say at least 700 homes in polk county where livingston is located are flooded rescue is used boats to reach some people who were trapped on their rooftops because of the high water. cnn's allison chinchar is here

now clearly they've had enough more is on the way. >> yeah, some of those places have had over 20 inches of rain, 20 inches. and now we're going to be adding more on top of it at that point. it doesn't he met review and leave and get say, a quarter of an inch the damage is already done. now, you're just prolonging it, so yes. >> you look at videos like this from livingston, but there was also other areas that ended up picking up significant amounts of rain. >> that's why you have so many of these rivers, creeks, and streams in the area that are either minor or moderate or even major flood stage. and those things take time. so what it means is it's going to be days, if not even weeks before those get back down to normal levels. and it's because of the intense amount of rain, the widespread areas you're talking here about six to ten inches of rain. but these pink spots that's where we were talking 15 even 20 inches of rain. you still have flood warnings and flash flood warnings in effect because there there is still some rain in the area. we also have some stronger thunderstorms farther off to the north, places like omaha stretching down into areas of

kansas and oklahoma. and that sets the overall tone for the rest of the day because we also anticipate some more strong to severe thunderstorms, especially this afternoon and evening. now the target point is really going to be focused across texas, but really the potential for any one of those storms exists all the way up through chicago. you're talking very large hail, damaging wind gusts and yes, even some tornadoes yesterday marked the ninth straight day in a row of a confirmed tornado today could end up being the 10th. we've had 200 total tornado reports since april 24, that has been a very busy last few weeks today is likely to continue that, especially around the midland, evelyn and del rio, texas area lots going on all right. >> allison chinchar, thanks so much taking bribes, laundering money, unlawful foreign influence. democrat henry cuellar is accused of doing all of that over about a 70 your period details of those allegations and a new indictment next plus april got a goldilocks jobs report, not

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indicted congressman henry cuellar along with his wife, imelda. authorities say the couple took brian i'm from a foreign oil and gas company in exchange for representative cuellar agreed to perform official congressional acts in favor of azerbaijan and the mexican bank as well. and the cnn's melanie zanona has more good morning viktor and amara. we are learning new details about this indictment that follows a years-long criminal probe in to the congressman, the doj has charged with congressman cuellar and his wife on charges of bribery unlawful foreign influence, and money laundering. both of them appeared in court in houston dan yesterday, and specifically, the doj has accused the congressman of accepting nearly $600,000 in bribes from two foreign entities. one of those is a bank headquartered in mexico city, and the other one is an oil company owned by the government of azerbaijan. and according to this indictment queer agreed to accept these

bribes in exchange for taking official acts as a member of congress and agreeing to trying to influence us policy by doing things like inserting favorable language into certain bills and committee reports and also delivering certain speeches on the house floor. now this development comes over two years after the fbi rated both the congressman's home and his campaign office back in january of 2020 but the congressman maintained his innocence and says he will run for reelection in november. let me read you part of his statements and he said, i want to be clear that both my wife and i are innocent of these allegations everything i've done in congress has been to serve the people of south texas. now, we are also getting some reaction from the top democrat in the house that's house minority leader hakeem jeffries. he did announced yesterday that the congressman would temporarily step down from his top post on a house appropriations subcommittee. we should note that cuellar is a senior member of that very

powerful panel which has jurisdiction over some key spending and policy decisions. he also at one point was the co-chair of the congressional azerbaijan caucus, but jeffries also said that congressman cuellar should be innocent until proven guilty guys. all right. melanie zanona. thanks so much joining me now, is sophia kai a nach national politics reporter for axios. good morning to you. all right. so melanie walked us through what this means. for the congressmen, but now you've got a democratic congressman. and why facing these charges remember there is still a democratic senator, bob menendez, and his wife. they're facing charges as well beyond the two individuals. is there some residual impact on the larger party on the president? is get closer to november well, i think first of all, there's been a lot of allegations from republicans, including former president trump, as well as his allies in congress that doj is weaponized than that it's

skewed against republicans and out to get them, i think a lot of the democrats who are facing charges and indictments is a sign that the law applies equally. >> i think queer and his wife engaged in elaborate scheme that was outlined in this 54 page indictment and that's just one of three more recent lawmakers we had cuellar, we had senator menendez indicted for bribery. we had famously george santos, who was indicted for fraud charges. i mean, those are all very significant developments in it. and it really shows there may there may be some issues here where where, you know, what the allegations are for doing favors for a foreign government in exchange for official acts, including adding clauses and appropriations bills adding clauses in the nda, helping

with an azerbaijan citizen and immigration issues. i mean, those are all specific allegations against the democratic congressman. >> yeah and again, as melanie said innocent until proven guilty and will remind everyone while there there are some on the right who were are trying to spread this beyond just these individuals. >> it is the presumptive nominee for the republican nomination, who was literally on trial right now and facing dozens of a felony charges. let me go now to another topic in these protests, we heard from the president after two weeks or so of the white house saying this is a university issue, that this is up to these individual presidents and their boards of trustees. the president came out, gave about four or five minutes of comments after the urging, even if some members of his own party are they satisfied by what the president has said thus far about what we've seen across college campuses i'm not

sure if anyone is satisfied. >> i think the president had three options he could have either condemn the protesters, he could have either said they have a right to free speech and not condemned them, or he could've let his surrogates, or he could have let his administration officials speak for him and he did much of all three. i mean, he waited quite awhile at to make a speech about it. i think here you have terry cardona writing to university presidents, taking a more forceful stance. but i think he really alienating both wings of his party and what's pretty significant is that i saw some videos of protesters on both sides. shouting at biden, which suggests how fraught this has been. and also that president biden knows how far it has been. and so that may be why he waited so long to say something.

>> yeah, the protest, one of the two big stores dominated the news this week. the other of course, former president trump on trial in that hush money trial, your latest piece is about how the campaign and the courthouse how the trump sayyed is trying to maneuver this tetris as you call it, a pieces in new york, we've seen a grip and grin with some construction workers, the former president heading up to harlem. are they're indications that they'll go big with the rallies that we've seen in other parts of the country in the swing states. i don't know if he'll win new york and new jersey, but are they going to do it anyway? >> well, he's certainly campaigning in new york and new jersey for president trump was pretty upset. the first week during opening statements that he didn't see crowds as he expected, he he told his advisers as much and later that week, they set up that

construction site, meet and greet he's, done so again this week with firefighters and his campaign tells me that they're looking at suitable locations in new york for those bigger rallies that he's he's looking to do, but we haven't seen specific plans yet. >> and then next weekend, he's going to be in new jersey campaigning. so due to the trial schedule. he's been forced to choose more local locations and he's also been forced to do this spring state rallies in just one day. i mean, the campaign has also been forced to move three if they're daily morning meetings due to the trial schedule they've also had to really just accommodate a candidate who has certain wishes as he's on trial. and the most significant piece of this i have to say is the gag order the campaign has really looked to his lawyers to help them determine how and when he

messages on this case. and i think that's very uncomfortable for former president trump. >> all right. so thanks so much. >> president biden honored 19 people with the nation's highest civilian honore, the presidential medal of freedom. the list of honorees include key political allies for biden, such as former house speaker nancy pelosi and south carolina rep. jim clyburn biden also awarded the medal to several civil rights leaders like clarence b. jones, who helped draft martin luther king junior's. i have a dream speech. opal lee, an educator who helped push to make juneteenth a national holiday celebrities like oscar-winning actress michelle yeoh, also received the medal of freedom as well as seven time olympic gold medalist katie ledecky, biden, even quip that is criticism, criticisms of his own age telling the ducky who is 27, that age is just a number she continued to compete this summer the prior paralympics at age 27, which

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3.9%. >> job that slowed down in job growth though could help ease inflation and lead to an interest rate cut later this year, cnn's matt egan has more victor an amara, the runaway train jobs market may finally be slowing down. >> and that, that may not be such a terrible thing because look, the blockbuster gains of recent months that was not sustainable and those rapid gains in the jobs market, they were actually fueling fears about inflation and interest interest rates. now, the new numbers, they show that the us added 175,000 jobs in april. at any other time that would qualify as strong but this jobs market has been so hot that this is actually a cooldown it's roughly half the pace of the prior month when we look at wages, we can see that paychecks are still growing faster than prices. that's good news for main street, but also good news for wall street is annual wage growth, 0s below 4%

for the first time in nearly three years, that, that is what the fed wants to see is they searched for science at the jobs market is coming into better balance between supply and demand. >> now, this is just one month. >> it's too early to call a trend still for this one month, this does look like the goldilocks jobs report that many were rooting for wall street, the fed, and even the white house. >> they don't want to see a report that was so hot that it would add to those inflation concerns. >> of course, they don't want to see something two so cold that it would raise concerns about trouble in the economy. and so this does keep alive hopes for an interest rate cut from the fed. that in june, but maybe later in the summer or the fall, borrowers can get a break from these really high rates for mortgages, credit cards, and car loans one other point here, even though the unemployment rate did tick up unexpectedly in april to 3.9% this is still low historically low. >> in fact, the unemployment rate is now below 4%, 27 months

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well decades after the us face to spate of deadly anthrax attacks in 2001, the pentagon is adjusting its strategy to combat new biological threats which could be made worse with the help from ai, cnn's nick watt has a look at the evolving threats of chemical and biological weapons and what the us's doing to counter it the last deadly biological weapon attack on american soil was that spate of anthrax laced letters. >> and soon after 9115, people died. since then, overall, the first place is just much much bigger, much more complex, much more dynamic. we should be concerned we should be very concerned in part because in the past, the perpetrator had to actually have physical access to the pathogen. now, it's possible is certain pathogens. >> the government's eyes were open to another new issue by fam, little experiment at a small biotech company in raleigh, north carolina, something that they hadn't imagine doing, which was

breathtaking admission within a couple of weeks, we were talking to folks in the white house. >> they tasked and ai algorithm that usually designed is helpful molecules to design harmful molecules similar to vx, the poison gas infamously used by saddam hussein to massacre thousands of his own people in 1988, we just flip the directionality in space are probably about six hours. it came up with a roughly 40,000 molecules. we never actually made any of them. so just to be clear, and we never tested any of them because that would be against the law and the good news is that this is harder than it sounds all right developing these kinds of weapons and applying advanced technologies to them is still a very difficult, complex process. so at this point, the throes primarily from states, china, north korea, and russia, which has used chemicals in assassinations. remember, they tried to kill alexey navalny with a nerve agent called novichok in a post on instagram. you can hear him

kremlin denies it, and it's worth noting that the islamic state that had a very active chemical weapons program about ten years ago some of their experts are still at large. >> those bad actors plus computers spitting out recipes for novel pathogens then synthetic manufacturer of pathogens have forced the us government into a complete change of approach. >> the pivots been to not focus on what they traditionally call one drug, one bug, days gone by. the government could keep a list of potential agents, anthrax, sarin vx analyst of the treatments and countermeasures for each one. not anymore and they're now spending a lot of money on that pivot. >> we went from 1.2 billion per annum to 1.8 billion when you're not able to protect against everything then you have to have in place good strategies and good rat reaction times. >> i'm a little concerned that not evolving as fast as mother nature is because of the nature of bureaucracy ver