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and it is always an attempt to same as the 2 sides of them, but there is no 2 sides to this. the western media does have a western bias who understand what they are looking to see out and raise. the listening post covers how the news is covered. and even low in relation stuckey a had suspended to trade or this rail leak settle for its aid was denied entry into gauze. the bottom will be in place until a permanent c 5 is agreed. how will this impact the user of actions in gaza? this economy, this is inside story, the hello and welcome to the program. i'm the focus for you is israel and took a has been crucial trading partners. it was a commercial relationship with $87000000000.00 a year. but it's also
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a long gossip change to about the tech. his government has been demanding a hold to the violence this code, at least 35000 palestinians and anchor has condemned israel's decision to block its aid meant for gauze at last month. president measured time or the one has now announced the truthful trade ban until israel agrees to cease fire. but how's he acted on the domestic pressure after set back in local elections was partly blamed while the country continuing to do business with this route. and how will this affect the economies of both sides will get to won't get shortly. but 1st the support from culture lopez hold. yeah. hold on, let him go onto your delivery. the old 2 ties between israel and 2 kids have hit a new low. the turkish government has suspended all imports and exports transactions with israel and protests against the war and goes up to what to sign. it's all this, all of the west is working for israel, medical starting with america that we're working for israel. all these means to being mobilized, unfortunately, to get damn displaced,
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palestinians to death in the face of his rails palm. this is really turkish trade was worth 7000000000 dollars last year, playing a significant role for local businesses. top turkish exports to israel include steel vehicles, plastics, electrical devices and machinery goodness in it took in, in do need to trade, hold against israel, including imports and exports. will continue until a permanency expiring guys, a secured, as well as the unhindered flow of humanitarian aid into the region. she qualified for free will by default. israel's foreign minister criticized the suspension, accusing the turkish president of acting like a dictator. ties between the 2 sides had been progressively deteriorating. last month, israel denied turkish efforts to send a to gauze up, or take part in air drops. then turkish officials, band exports of steel fertilizer and jet fuel to israel before issuing
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a total trade band. president are the one method, political leader of hum us, he's male from media and is stumble last month to discuss the situation and gaza domestically. the president had been facing criticism for maintaining commercial ties with israel after the war. that may have been a factor in the poor showing of the president's governing a key party in local elections in march. to key is the 1st of israel's trading partners to hold all important exports in response to the war and casa, now some in israel and elsewhere are questioning whether it will be the last katia a little bit. so the again, i'll just sarah, for inside story. the to okay, well that spring, i guess now this time both have a by son political analyst and the system professor event housing university and
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tell of eve, gideon levy alsa and columnist at the hearts newspaper and in vienna. flooded may a von or chief economist of the international think tank a globe 2nd, we welcome to each of you. thank you very much for your time. give you and i wonder if i can stop with you. what does it mean for the 1st muslim majority country to recognize the state of israel back in 1949. to now take this step of halting. all trade ties with israel. it has all kinds of meaning proceed can build. so beginning coal for attendance, see which way, gary mall states, not only most of them ones, but the whole, but at this moment the sol brooks elizabeth, more realistic that say they really that they have a ceasefire. we get you burning. sure. and then even as one say's this band wouldn't be canceled, in any case was shown on the ice, they made
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a step because it hasn't been the economic kind of cultural oriented gun and socially, even military consequences. and i guess when talking about them lakes or yeah, certainly we will get onto the political and economic impact of all of this decision. but maybe this isn't the 1st time to care has come. diplomatic ties with israel is right back in 2010. it comp time is off to 10 turkish aid workers were killed as a try to make their way through the is there any maritime blockades of gone so they were killed by it's ready? come on. those relations though, were restored in 2016 and they have the since then been multiple tit for tat expulsions. how long do we expect this latest move by took a to last. it was, you mean the one the flotilla has been attacked? indeed, the national walters intimated training and it was done with the high spot. we can see that the ministry corporation as well as economic continue during those so
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called band or cutting relations with this device. it was on the diplomatic, and people interpret, sees it as a quite symbolic. but now it has to be officially announced in turkey. the called the old trades on business. and commerce ties was easily, is far more serious. and it s, as, as expected, received quite mixed reactions in turkey. so it's the same. so look, 1st of all, i'm present it on the expected and therefore you have quite a lot of different views on this. is there a degree of concern then we're given the israeli a response to this move. they say the torque is businesses will be affected. is there any concern that this move may be harmful domestically? well, just concerns also on the table, but 1st of all, the move in talk is the we are willing to bear all consequences,
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all international consequences because this is unacceptable. so follow official numbers exceed and so it's $5000.00 people got killed and goes and still continue. so there is no prospect even uh, stopping the whole thing. go to international comments, doing anything about it. so therefore, the more least a couple minutes it looks cool minutes is most is the we bear the caustic lenses, but it seems also, it wasn't an easy decision and on color. and it wasn't like a southern decision, i'm sure 4 weeks uh they were kind of really studying old old details of this app to so bad the consequences of letting me i can be so economy handle it. do you think? let's talk about the question of economic into dependence between israel and took a because as we mentioned in the introduction that i was 7000000000 dollars in trade between the countries, la cns, according to official figures, israel was took us 13 biggest export market last ca. well, tech area was israel's 5th,
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the biggest source of inputs. there's an awful lot of state care, a lot of mirrors. now. i would not on the play the importance of this decision. market economies like to say that the way up is usually to the stairs. but the way down is to buy an elevator, and i would like to emphasize that this decision, this part of the economy warfare, because that's what the embargo is, has came after all over to the case of where a gradual build up often they truly kind of make a change of ration starting through the duties of 9697 and 981 to the trade between the 2 countries fund from negligible to as mentioned to kate now stands as the 5th or 6th biggest export territory. oh, as i mentioned, the trade embargo is part of the economy for, for, isn't a fort worth, which in itself implies that the countries or,
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or the country declaring embargo, feels advisory to the country against which dan barger has been declared. and as it happens and or fax both on both sides centrals. so took 8 steps to. ready as an excess of $5000000000.00 of export revenues on the other side, they sell cents total surround o $2000000000.00 and export of in use the turkey most the biggest category of is certainly exports to, to, to, is to but certainly find petroleum products. okay, to side to key biggest the export items into a trial are roll iron materials. as it stands, the immediate impact, i wouldn't be careful about charging, they need an impact because we have seen it also with the recent examples of the trade in by goals, right? so the question as to what extent both parties will be. ready what the 2nd one, this ups that goes through the set contra trade. right? so size will like sports or
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a techie to israel of i am still jet fuel pesticides and construction equipment may be surely tucked here. wouldn't have made this decision if it couldn't handle this. i agree. i fully agree. i think i the, i'm sorry, the question to me, i fully agree with you on the, i'm sure, as i said that i'm calling for on call. it wasn't an easy decision and we know that you're going behind the curtains. the lot of sports has been spent just to stop this blood shit on genocide and does that, but it seems it's not going anywhere. then of course we cannot neglect. oh, so it goes into some comments or does it talk to the domestic pressure, especially the results of the local elections, but never the less, you know, the president out of the i'm have read a personally for, for, for decades always a kind of a to try to help causing this little part of student calls for
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a 2 state solution out of a peaceful solution so that i'm sure how it also impact on this decision. right, well, that's the positive. it's a good idea now because i'm how much of this will hurt israel economically and politically. obviously, the motivating force behind all of this is to essentially direct is riley from policy geo politics. will it have an impact it would help him and they need it to impact because finally, those things are measured for their own gra. but it's really their beginning co pay was tendency in with single starting point is united states. we'll see what starts to hit by the euro. it might, oh, obviously every your dream but what is what when he wouldn't be joined by buying. busy busy or meeting for a pause is about 4 do lighted states. as long as the united states continues to support is right to finance is right. andrew surprises all kinds of weapons as long
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as this continuous, if you do not have an effect on, on the decision maker. so phase right there we have to use in the, in the washing tone and the kid when, before i say motion, the ones watching the video really be serious about anything before the world ended with these days. but unfortunately, they didn't see this, right? this is coming from washington to be, it's good even you, you make it very powerful points, but it's all good and well, economies the size of take a making these moves against israel, but until the economic superpowers of the world, the united states, and indeed china flooded may get involved in this type, positive punitive measures against the state of israel. it's not going to economically make a difference to israel. your thoughts, of course, to be careful about the effectiveness of
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a sanctions as such. let's be honest. i mean, and that's the whole history of economic sanctions that starting with a cult, handled located at the beginning of 19 century, which not pulling on any post against the crate bridge and on actually big, fired and helped to bring down. then i pulled on the scene also mixed the results when it comes to the trade sanctions. so to europe, in union against russia, whereas the, even though the exports to our shop plummeted, the export store central asian country. so compared the smaller size i jumped up exponentially, which tells you the story about the efficiency of this sanctions. and as, as i mentioned, to build up with a mutual relationship between economic hardship between took here and the cell has been a longstanding and gradual process of that. we should have mentioned that the a throw as an important buckner to, to, to,
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to you when it comes to choice and over 600000 it's out of stories. is that okay and a pre. ready here, so one wonders what happens to all these tests and flows let of, let me that's a good time lisa. let's put that to to a b tourism major. saw a sofa economic revenue for to key. what happens now given the potential loss of huge numbers, august really tourist of the country. it was, i certainly agree, but one thing i like to clear here clarify is my personal opinion. but this decision is not against the people of israel because last night out of the meeting with the major business by representatives. uh, you know, it'd been around done. is it porky made that you made it absolutely clear. and it's not against people say to people, most certainly people single out, especially that decision, a name that mr. but they know calling him as an impossible person to deal with so
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on to a drastic measures taken, the band will continue. so now i'm sure did, did lots of revenues in the tourism, obviously very important. but what would be quite upset is that it lets you know like a most of the country, i guess a jewish state type of thing that will be a very wrong because is really the tortoise. but always welcome, did turkey on there kind of the causing the danger to them. so they loved comment 6 on the 1000 people this mansion coming on going. so i think behind, you know, i assume a solution of the tourism season is approaching the summer. they'll be efforts to probably the single of this particular point, but i'm sure it's going to be a major, a lot of discussion or, or important part of this bad. but again, torque is, seems to bear all costs. the decision is dead, unofficial. now, they give you, i want to put this to you as possible because we've heard from this riley of
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foreign minister who has instructed the country to quote, find alternatives to trade with, take a around pub local production. let me start by asking you why these likely alternative trade partners. oh, who is the authority government i in for help. i and i won't take too much into too much serious way every expression of our phone with this there is quite a modular garden is so important jakes, and i'm not sure if you noticed what these are talking about. so if you wasn't screaming bolton, you spoke about tourism. it touches share lines, used to fly between 10 to 15 slides a day, more than any other for an airline, and temperature and does not strive for these are ever since the 7th of october. besides, a lot of the think, no, no, no turns in to kentucky, but on the trigger name of his riley still s swear and staying for the economy is
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what we find a way maybe to bypass the rich commercial relationship. because they swear to continue event by then the big product will become more expensive to doctors product. but again, i want to emphasize, i have the feeling that this is a store to ben and it's very soon, the insurance guy is insane. we see here ceasefire and then sinks when it gets run . you don't forget the relation some dumps. yeah. it is what i had so many ups and downs in recent years. and every time there was a way to get out of the crisis, enjoying your, the relationship, including hundreds of thousands of his strategies for one day restaurant, you know, to well to tokyo because it is so dangerous there. and the next day they went there by hundreds of thousands because a lot of done at the start of the time. yeah, for example, hey, can you let me ask you to sort of flush out
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a point that you made that because he talks about the rates of accelerated inflation in the country that i understand is a 2.7 percent and that's much higher than initially expected apparently clothing for well housing, health care, transportation, all of this has gone up in value, how mindful easily is rated governments. how is a mindful this thing is why the governments about this impact on consumers in the country consumers that will also vote as a full harvey. we don't have a function and government right now. we have a government which is concentrated only in staking power and therefore those questions right of our, you relevant, the municipal finance is simpler and extreme ready? come right when good is nothing to do with the corner. we have the quarterly doesn't the interest in the door, he's only interested in football, do the settlements. so those questions, so right now the view right of is right, easy to very, very bad shape. why don't it's was moments in history. and this home is this
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government to, to continue all those questions really un, if it's well we all waiting to see the next twist and turn this ongoing conflict. of course, also another thing that is all kinds. israel's foreign minister has said, is a ques, talking of ignoring quote, international trade agreements, letting me come is ro, legally opposed this move from tuck you? i hope that i can uh, it's uh uh it will take time until uh, not have an immediate impact. i would like to emphasize, but as has been mentioned, both sides stand, pull some dirt or list of the biggest, biggest architect part to show our whole iron bars. cars and jewelry mess mentioned is always in a state of war technically. so i'm sure this consumer goods can beat fargo on the
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real iron bar. so it's something that's important for the manufacturing and the phone for construction industry on the other side. hopefully certainly exports the direct case represented by dirty fine petroleum product. so if i was a turkish citizen, i would make sure to make my car tanka for uh before the week starts or so again, uh on the, on the, on to both sides. uh, the importance. okay. are all my titles trade emphasizes that i would like to see how. ready the most trading corporate oh corporation started on both sides. well, the interest just to jump in all the alternative markets, but to tier you could increase exports to the biggest trading partner of a truck, is germany, followed by united states, iraq, united kingdom and fit totally on the side of it. so the foreign trade officers
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much more diversified source has been mentioned, and the volume of exports from a south dakota is comparable to countries like another loves germany, belgium, or india and france. so i would hope that when it comes to finding a substitute, a target markets for its exports, it's all stands in typically better positioned on turkey. but yeah, eventually rather rather than looking for the new target market, i still exist in and a short term. and we have seen, at the end, the case of for 2014 or 2022 right and barcode as russia tried to set to countries as something to be upset more closely. also as had, it has been mentioned, the relationship between his role in turkey or the over 20 years long for actual
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work. there is, there is a abraham court that has been signed online 2020 and that helped a the right to boast of mutual tre, between each row and our country's rise in our counter for around 4 panels chase. i will be looking more carefully about the impact of the step on the mutual trade, which of the newly emerging trade partners in our countries, or how does a be i what if i can circle back to something that you mentioned a little bit earlier on and it was the, the motives for president do i'm doing this. i mean, you suggested that this decision may be politically performative, symbolic, given the pressure of the president has been on the, by political opponents, even political allies in the country to take a tough stance on israel. following, as she mentioned those pool elect portal results by the act policy, which is, you mean by that, is this a performative move by the talk is president? well, i personally, don't think so, but the reasons you mentioned,
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i'm sure played an important role. we cannot deny that, but church, he always defended the peaceful solution to stay solution to the problem. um, so that we can move on. i mean, as mentioned here, the, my quote's probably a new beginning, a new middle east by corporate thing in the region of, you know, like a piece of prospect will probably replace war until it's now the move in charge is the international community is not doing anything to support this genocide at all. so if you really in fact they're helping or boosting the killing stolen doesn't seem any time soon. it's going to stop. so therefore, i think all these combine charge you willing to take all the risk and consequences and decided to be apply unbundle go against the stairs, always low, but singly alt,
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especially the decision make comes dead. i seem to, especially the end of discussion points, we should mashing and turkish made is that the war cover that they're saying, these are the ones failed to protect state or people of state of israel. and now they're the ones initiating the war there and pointless for they see it because old is innocent. people not comfortable of defending themselves or the oppose. again, it's like 2 of these royal got being chilled, continue being just so this, these things like data in the media. we can see social media as well as you're not televisions on the table and they're being discussed. so from that point we cannot really single out of the walls particles future. i think of all the other elements have been always in taking into consideration the cut off. and this, this difficult decision has been, has been made and also in the state. but they said that, well, they expect them as international reaction as well, and we are ready to, to uh,
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the costs the closest getting. and let me refer that to you. how phase do you think this really government is by these comments coming from and career? of course you say that there is still an underlying friendship between ordinary citizens of israel and the people of took here. but is the a residual concern by the us, right? of the government. this may develop this animosity made the put yeah, sure. on the to the of the concern. but i will put it in in the 1st of this, the concerns is what is there any spacing those? oh, many concerns wrong they i see see to bad choice. joining us the just and rough. uh so many things for besides and so many really challenges in which spends in for installing defense, right. i think the turkish church is all 2nd the pro g,
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because find the be turn key was order, respect the perspective time to, to do our best by the end of the day. those are not the steps that the change. usually i don't change the bodies you're busily this week. we have see not only took a but columbia cup ties with israel following a growing list of countries in latin america unless in america, africa, and the middle east. israel facing clearly gideon, growing political and economic. i solution, how is israel the able to somehow tune out those critical voices? is that something background? static? so this is where the government, the 1st thing of the public opinion and the government, the public opinion, protected. so was that was a separation or was it perpetual war? namely, the harvard is against us, no matter what we do. namely, the word is disseminated and we can do nothing about it, which is august, the,
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like the government does it there in the morning on as different there be schools mainly what can we do? we'll stay in power. i would say in the, in a, in a large way that's cutting relations. this calling on behalf of the riots in columbia university. the easily is much more concerned about the they arrived in court on the diversity rights. and we wait to see how is real potentially will react or not react to even get in levy. maybe based on the inviting me of on a pleasure to have you on inside story many thanks for your time. well, um, thank you to of course of watching and you can see the program again, any time by visiting our website. i'll just give a don't com. and for further discussion, go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash age i inside story and you can also join the conversation on x. a handle is it's a j inside story for me for the entire team here is bye. for now,
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